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Zotac 9300 ITX Bios 2K090422 NVMM Advance Path

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Posted 09 June 2009 - 02:33 AM

I can confirm that the update from Bios 2K090202A to 2K090422 works fine if SmartFan is disabled according to the instructions in http://www.zotacusa....p?showtopic=976.

Here are my first impressions of the NVMM Advance Path feature (NVMM = Nvidia Memory Manager) which is enabled in 2K090422, and was expected to bring about considerably faster memory access speeds.

According to the Lavalys EVEREST Cache & Memory Benchmark,

the memory read speed has increased very considerably, from 4847 to 5857 MB/s
the memory write speed has decreased slightly, from 4229 to 4158 MB/s
the memory copy speed has increased from 4208 to 4534 MB/s
the memory latency has dropped down very considerably, from 112.7 to 81.6 ns

(Intel E5200 2.5GHz, 4GB of dual channel DDR2-800 RAM, no overclocking, XP SP3).

Now, some potentially bad news. I still have not had the time for extensive testing, but it seems that the system has become more unstable. I had one of the two threads in prime95 crash within five minutes of the start of the program (but after restarting prime95, this was not repeated); there were several inexplicable random crashes of firefox 3.0.10 on news websites which have always worked without problems, internet explorer 8.0 also crashed, again randomly, on a couple of occasions with a "blue screen of death". All of these look like random memory access errors, which were not occurring under Bios 2K090202A . I intend to run full memtest86+ tests in the evening, both with NVMM Advance Path enabled and disabled, in an attempt to understand what is happening. For the record, I have a very well cooled system, and none of the temperatures ever exceed 50 deg C, even after running prime95 for hours.

According to one NVidia document, http://www.nvidia.co...DIA_EPP2_TB.pdf

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The motherboard BIOS implements a dynamic Advance Path deterministic
algorithm, which is executed at BIOS initialization on a per-motherboard basis,
generating different Advance Path settings for each platform motherboard. You
gain additional overclocking headroom as a result.

This suggests that the NVMM Advance Path function is associated with a reasonably complicated piece of code in te Bios, and ensuring that this code works reliably in all situations could be a challenging task.

I would be interested to hear the impressions of other users who have switched to 2K090422, as well as comments from Technical Support. I will report my memtest86+ results once I have carried out the tests.
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Posted 10 June 2009 - 12:33 AM

View Postbetaspin, on Jun 9 2009, 11:33 AM, said:

I will report my memtest86+ results once I have carried out the tests.

OK, I have now carried out extensive memory tests under bios 2K090422 with Advance Path enabled using memtest86+ v2.10 (under DOS) and memtest86+ v2.11 (under Linux). My RAM has passed them all with flying colours. I wonder if there is some additional interaction between the Advance Path feature enabled in the bios, and the NVidia windows drivers that might cause an instability.
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Posted 11 June 2009 - 01:25 PM

To continue my monologue, the random program crashes when Advance Path is on are continuing. If I turn Advance Path off in the bios, the crashes disappear, but most of the memory access performance gains are gone. So, it seems that the Advance Path feature in bios 2K090422 requires some further work. Has this been properly tested by Zotac with different types of memory, and under different versions of Windows?
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Posted 26 June 2009 - 10:10 PM

I have now found the cause for this problem. It was an incompatibility between the 2x2Gb Corsair TWIN2X4096-6400C5 set and some aspect of either the NVidia Advance Path function, or the NVidia Memory Manager in bios 2K090422 (v4.84.91A of 01/13/09). On replacing the Corsair memory with a 2x2Gb Kingston ValueRAM set, KVR800D2N5K2/4G, all crashes and BSODs disappeared. The Corsair memory does not appear to be faulty, it works fine in another computer.
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Posted 16 December 2009 - 09:33 AM

I am using the Corsair RAM (TWIN2X4096-6400C5C G) on the Zotac 9300 ITX WiFi (G-E) too, and I can not confirm issues so far.
However, I am not doing any heavy computing also, I simply use the computer for Web browsing, emails, Office applications, a bit of Photoshop too.
Running the system since 4 days, and not just for some hours but rather massively, and I have had no problems of any kind so far.
So, either I have not run into the tricky situations yet, or maybe your set of modules maybe indeed was a bit "strange" :)

May I ask when and how you ran into the issues?
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